Comments: Where Do I Sign?

I think I'd feel safer riding a motorcycle on an L.A. highway during rush hour, or crossing Times Square against the lights. At least I'd have some maneuverability and agility.

Built by the UAW, huh. Will there be a brand loyalty pledge you must make before ignition, with a computer that will create random mechanical malfunctions if it detects any insincerity?

Posted by Perry Eidelbus at May 6, 2009 3:14 PM

And I'd feel safer smoking crack with a hooker in Harlem, Perry. But we own this company now; it wouldn't be appropriate to shop elsewhere.

Posted by jk at May 6, 2009 3:42 PM

I'm sure the little whatchamacallit will soon be mandated as the only car we can buy; I guess I'll be driving my Ford 'till the wheels fall off. So much for the benefits of senior secured debt getting to the front of the line:

How many of these rolling Coors cans will they have to sell a month to meet their UAW-contract payroll?

Posted by Keith at May 6, 2009 3:51 PM

It is obvious that the only remaining market for General Federal Union Motors Company cars will be municipalities' public sector unions.

Which has me considering a career switch to bank robbery. I don't think this thing can catch my 140-pony Toyota.

Posted by jk at May 6, 2009 3:57 PM

The old fashioned "corporatism" that used to manage Chrysler was tasked with maximizing investors profits. A component of this was keeping labor costs as low as practically possible. Now that the UAW "owns" 55% of the enterprise that particular aspect of profitability (at least) is clearly out the window.

If the new owners had any sense of honesty they would rename Chrysler Motors the 'Twenty-First Century Motor Company.'

Posted by johngalt at May 6, 2009 3:58 PM

Keith, stupid question. They don't have to sell any. That's why you pay taxes. It's the beauty of the business model.

Beyond that, does this thing have a trailer hitch? I've got a four-horse fifth-wheel that I need to tow around.

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 6, 2009 4:16 PM

JG's link is a pretty good answer to Dutch Socialism as well...

Posted by jk at May 6, 2009 4:27 PM

jk: you may have spent your guitar money on the Toyota (nice, BTW); the new Fiat pictured above would prob'ly set you back the cost of a large pepperoni pizza and two pitchers of beer - plus the government subsidy surcharge, which will doubtless dwarf your home mortgage. But how are you going to rob banks when BATFE confiscates every weapon you have more lethal that your automatic can opener? You've got a getaway car but no weapons. Really, jk, if you're contemplating a life of crime, you're going to need better advance planning than that...

BTW, as long as I'm being called to task for my stupid questions, I should probably apologize to all resident Coloradans for my Coors slur. There was no slight intended; great state, just a crappy beer. Really - my mom lives in Gunnison, I have nothing but love for Colorado.

Really, Refugee, you have a four-horse fifth-wheel? I'd say the Fiat's probably the perfect vehicle to tow it, since it looks to come equipped with a four-horse power plant. With an optional upgrade to a Briggs and Stratton.

Posted by Keith at May 6, 2009 4:47 PM

Good one, Keith! Think of the four horses in the back as a redundant power supply in case the first one takes a powder.

I'm so looking forward to replacing my diesel F350 with of these things; it's so 2008. (Actually, it's so 1995, but still has less than 100K miles.) One cylinder on its 7.3 litre engine could probably power this Fiat POS.

And another thing: if Fiat buys Chrysler, why are we using US tax $$ to bail out a foreign auto maker?

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 6, 2009 6:19 PM

Why, Refugee, that would pretty much make this Fiat a hybrid, wouldn't it? Though the the transition from the blender motor to equine and back wouldn't be as smooth as that of a Prius.

As for emissions... well, should we even bring up the issue of horse flops and flatulence? Has the administration come up with a plan for trading methane offsets?

Posted by Keith at May 6, 2009 7:05 PM

Keith, you're on a roll! I will say that the equine engine is extremely efficient at converting biomass to usable energy. It can even use the stuff on the side of the road, though it slows forward progress.

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 6, 2009 7:43 PM


An F350 diesel and a 4-horse fifth wheel? Very Cool! And to think I married jg for a Dodge 2500 V-10 and a 2-horse Featherlite.

Of course, he has other assets.

What kind of horses do you put in it? Is it the cool kind with the living quarters? Just curious. Didn't know there were other horseman types around this blog.

Posted by johngalt at May 6, 2009 10:57 PM

oops!! previous comment by DAGNY, accidentally done on jg's login.

Posted by dagny at May 6, 2009 11:00 PM

Do you all realize that, collectively speaking, we combined who participate in this blog probably have more horsepower, more torque, and poorer average miles-per gallon that any blog on the Intertubez except Dave Burge at Iowahawk?

No wonder Al Gore hates ThreeSources so much.

Posted by Keith at May 7, 2009 12:08 AM

Keith. Don't know that collectively speaking is appropriate around here, but that's beside the point.

I have an angelic carbon footprint. Little Toyota, telecommute, not much travel, small Condo -- VP Gore should be sending me a check for carbon indulgences.

Posted by jk at May 7, 2009 8:46 AM

Keith, it's all OK because the Refugee considers JK to be his carbon offset.

Dagny, the F350/Trails West 4-horse combo is actually the Spousal Unit's. She raises and trains American Saddlebreds as a profession. We have a small place east of Erie that accomodates about 12 horses. The trailer has a saddle/bridle storage area as well as a tack room. Although you could sleep in there, it's not configured specifically for it. We have it stuffed with equipment. She will occassionally allow The Refugee to borrow the truck for Boy Scout events and hunting, but only if it does not conflict with a horse show. ;-)

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 7, 2009 10:51 AM

Merciful Zeus! Am I the only ThreeSourcer who did not wed for a truck? Glad we don't purport to be a "values" site...

Posted by jk at May 7, 2009 11:27 AM

This is johngalt speaking: COORS IS A DAMN FINE BEER!

Coors Banquet, or "Original Coors" is a light American lager in the Pilsner tradition. It is not a deeply malted or highly hopped beer, both of which I thorougly enjoy, and should not be compared to them. As a lover of "pils" I regularly purchase Coors (and even Budweiser) to satisfy my thirst most particularly in the warm seasons.

While I sat on dad's knee and sipped Budweiser when he came home from work I was as happy as anyone with the microbrew revolution. But this doesn't mean that some macro brews are not still a good product to this day. For my taste and money, Coors and Bud are in that class. This despite one or more of Sam Adams Boston Lager, Guinness Extra Stout and most any ESB or IPA being always available in my reefer.

Posted by johngalt at May 7, 2009 1:49 PM

It needed to be said. Thanks, jg. (I think this post wins the meandering comments award.)

Posted by jk at May 7, 2009 2:11 PM

The Refugee must raise a toast to JG's sentiments as well, having been raised on Coors. Given that his father was a 29-year veteran of the company, this is true both figuratively and literally. Moreover, the Coors family has always been reliably conservative, respected individual rights and treated employees as close to family as any company can.

The Refugee's favorite beer of all time is Herman Joseph's 1868. It was sadly discontinued after a few years of brewing in the '80s, but recently brought back to a few select restaurants. Where did the name come from you ask? Adolph Coors' full name was "Adolph Herman Joseph Coors" and he arrived at Ellis Island from Germany in 1868.

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 7, 2009 2:50 PM

Ah yes, HJ's. I remember it well from my high school years. I liked it too, and if I got 2 free 6-packs of any Coors product every week, as I understand is the tradition for every Coors employee, it would have been my favorite too.

(Just doin' my part to make this the most commented post in blog history.)

And one more thing: Please don't feel chastised brother Keith. You only opened the door for a hearty defense of our "Colorado Kool-Aid."

Posted by johngalt at May 7, 2009 4:01 PM

No chastisement felt, brothers - though I can't recall the last time I've been in the company of more than one person in a group that would defend Coors - the beer, not the man or the company, both of which having reputations worthy of respect. Should any of you have opportunity to visit, I will try to remember to lay in a supply of Coors, if it doesn't mind sharing a refrigerator shelf with Sam Adams, Newcastle, San Miguel, or the occasional Foster's.

Here's a scenario that will add to the comment chain: instead of fiddling with carmakers (where this thread started), imagine that TARP funds had been used to bail out brewers - and instead of discussing whether the government was going to mandate we all buy the unholy offspring of Chrysler and Fiat, this discussion were about the government requiring us to drink Pabst or Old Milwaukee or - horror of horrors - Red Stripe.

Once you're all done retching, feel free to discuss...

Posted by Keith at May 8, 2009 11:31 AM

OK, one more before this falls off the page.

JK, notes above that we don't purport to be a, "values," site. Maybe not, but we clearly have values. We value Horsepower. "Big four-legged or fuel-injected."

BR (and any others that are interested) Saddlebreds are not my area of expertise, ours are all drafts and draft crosses, but you and the Spousal Unit are invited to the farm for a ride, a target shoot, a beer, a little conversation, or any combination of the above.

Posted by dagny at May 9, 2009 6:05 PM

Dagny, that would be fun. Although the Spousal Unit specializes in Saddlebreds and saddle seat equitation, she currently has three Clydes in the barn; a 3-yr old, 2-yr old and a yearling. She has broken the first two to ride and drive. (They belong to Molly at Spectra.) I've told her that she needs to train the first gated Clyde - put one of those things at the rack and everyone would get out of the way, if you know what I mean! It would be fun to come over to see your beasts and quaff a cool one.

Posted by Boulder Refugee at May 11, 2009 4:44 PM
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