Comments: GOP Winners and Losers

Spot. ON. I am a "social conservative" but agree that moral suasion is the approach to get results.

Posted by Ellis Wyatt at November 7, 2012 10:55 PM


I do not wholly agree that SIC's lost the election. Equally viable theories are:

- unwillingness to go negative;
- the Free Stuff argument beat the Freedom argument.

Look at Greece; they have been firmly and repeatedly told their stuff aint free, and I've seen no budging of the demand to get it anyway.

I do have to agree with JG and Coulter: if the GOP can't win against THIS crowd, record, etc., then it needs torn down. It could take a lot of burning.

My positive hope is the house will develop serious backbone, and play it's cards carefully (and be really ready to "go negative") even to the point of forcing a constitutional crisis over "No Budget" Reid.

Posted by nanobrewer at November 8, 2012 12:46 AM

I agree on your winners and do not hold Gov. Romney culpable for the loss.

But when social conservatives are removed from the party, we lack the numbers to win. When they are included, they scare off others. I no longer see a path to achieve the ends of liberty through the means of politics. It's 749 and they just called Wisconsin Blue and North Carolina is too close. One sees this is not going to work.

If we are going to continue playing, I must add Immigration to your loser column. Tell the fastest growing segment of the electorate that we need a wall to keep them out. Wonder why you lose the 30 - 70. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Next election, add 100000000 voters now reliant on government for health care. Game over. Two hundred thirty three years was a great run.

Posted by Jk at November 8, 2012 3:06 AM

JK! Buddy! Come off the roof! Don't jump! It'll be OK!! Your friend, The Refugee, will address this in a post later today.

NB, SICs didn't lose the presidential election, but have a miserable record running for the Senate. More later.

Posted by Boulder Refugee at November 8, 2012 8:15 AM

I look forward to The Refugee's follow up because I value his opinion. But I am not despondent. You can leave the sharp objects and my belt around le condo d'Amour; I'm fine.

But I spend an inordinate amount of time on politics and liberty theory. I enjoy it and it has become something that defines me. The shock you feel through my terrible typing is that I no longer believe that it is going to work.

I questioned whether to put the Debbie Downer comment under your excellent post, but you're suggesting that this old GOP car needs a tune up and I suggest it is totaled.

Pragmatism, fusionism, Libertario Delenda Est -- none of these is going to work. Yaron Brook and my brother say we have to reeducate people and change their priorities and beliefs: trading Ayn Rand's wisdom for the Ooompa Loompah's. How's that going to work?

My Facebook friends will gloat for another day or two and forget politics for four years. But they'll be back in 2016 with no more appreciation for liberty or limited government. (Today's meme: a picture of Senators-elect Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren and Sen. McCaskill with the headline "We Brought Binders Full of Women to the US Senate!) It's so precious I could just barf.

I don't care for quitters, but I need a reasonable vision or target of success. We have broken the safeguards that restrain government and I don't see that they can be restored through the political process.

Posted by jk at November 8, 2012 10:33 AM

Rand saw this coming 60-plus years ago. Her "cautionary tale" may yet become a blueprint. But just as we don't have a magical static elecricity engine, we don't all have to physically move to a hidden Shangri-la, or even break the law. 51% only applies to democracy, but thanks to progressive taxation it only takes 25% to wipe out 86% of government's revenue. And this is approximately the same share of the population who self-identify as Taxed Enough Already.

Think of an 'Operation Chaos' type of popular movement where net tax payers make a united effort to cut their incomes... live off their savings for a while... start in January 2015 and defer income until, say, January 2017. (Two years might not be enough. Might need to start earlier. '14? '13??)

Posted by johngalt at November 8, 2012 12:28 PM
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