April 25, 2018

Released Today!

Looking forward to Jonah's book:

(Also, the EconTalk appearance is awesome!)

Philosophy Posted by John Kranz at April 25, 2018 4:02 PM
"Democracy is about disagreement. It's about having arguments."

"The whole point of the enlightenment was this idea that you could persuade people."

But just before those sentences Jonah said,

"A bunch of friggin' Nazis" (...) "say that they want to get rid of people like me and people like you."

Is Jonah truly concerned that such a sentiment holds any persuasive power over a free people? Has he no better ideas to counter with, that he suggests such voices must be silenced, or at the very least denounced? That it the tactic of the tribal, socialist, left.

Jonah decries "winning" and "strength" without acknowledging the enforced socio-political and socio-economic changes that Trumpism [strong, forceful, Americanism] rose up in resistance to.

Posted by: johngalt at May 4, 2018 3:22 PM

I had to go back and listen. Two points:

Uno: I enjoy this because of its cross-philosophical comity. The EconTalk podcast provides a richer view of teh book's thesis.

Dos: I think you're jettisoning context. Winning must be about ideas (~10:05), not just winning. The friggin' Nazis (~8:20) are actual self-proclaimed Nazis.

His employer's founder famously kicked the John Birchers out of the Conservative movement so that it could develop from teh fringe party that lost in '64 to win in a landslide twenty years later. If we elevate the Roy Moores, Joe Arpaios, and Steve Bannons, we lose not only the party but risk losing the Enlightenment.

Posted by: jk at May 4, 2018 4:34 PM

Actual self-proclaimed Nazis are the best kind, if not the only kind. They're also one of the most rightly-vilified groups on Earth. So why do so many find it so necessary to silence them? Let them speak, and instantly disqualify themselves from any serious consideration. No?

Posted by: johngalt at May 8, 2018 3:17 PM

"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other, it is the principle of free thought — not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we hate." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., (United States v. Schwimmer, 1929).


"I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking. It cannot be so easily discovered if you allow him to remain silent and look wise, but if you let him speak, the secret is out and the world knows that he is a fool. So it is by the exposure of folly that it is defeated; not by the seclusion of folly, and in this free air of free speech men get into that sort of communication with one another which constitutes the basis of all common achievement." Woodrow Wilson, "That Quick Comradeship of Letters," address at the Institute of France, Paris (May 10, 1919); in Ray Stannard Baker and William E. Dodd, eds., The Public Papers of Woodrow Wilson (1927), vol. 5, p. 484.

Posted by: johngalt at May 8, 2018 3:23 PM | What do you think? [4]