October 25, 2017

On Sen. Flake

I'm not sure I grasp Ed Krayewski|'s headline: "GOP Anti-Flake Anti-Trumpers Just Want Trumpism Without Trump" But he first uncorks a beauty of a Simpsons reference, and then pens some wise words about the backlash to Sen. Flake.

[Ben] Shapiro developed his argument about Flake at The Daily Wire, pointing out that Flake became an unpopular senator early on in his term after trying to work on a bipartisan effort to reform immigration. "Many immigration reform Senators have fallen askance of the base," Shapiro noted.

Yes. That's the problem.

It was little more than a decade ago that President George W. Bush's efforts at comprehensive immigration reform failed. Since then, the GOP establishment has largely embraced the faction of the party that torpedoed reform.

Rather than making the economic case for immigration, as Republicans of days gone by did regularly, much of the party was content to exploit voters' economic ignorance and fuel their anxieties.

It's all anybody cares about in the GOP base anymore: getting the amnesty folks out.

So, now "Chemtrail Kelli" has an uncontested path to the GOP nomination in the Grand Canyon State. I apologize for suggesting that she was exploiting racism in her campaign. Why her "SanctuarySenator.com" has pictures suggesting the diversity GOP primary voters cherish:


Immigration Posted by John Kranz at October 25, 2017 5:44 PM

Well this is a horrible ad, true.

But I will say, I think again, that those in power really have zero concept of the woes felt by those who actually have to put up with illegal immigration. People have had enough. Being nice wasn't enough. Being understanding wasn't enough.
Someone insists that comprehensive reform is needed and those who actually get to live with illegal immigrants in their neighborhoods ask, "will more come in now?"and the answer is always "we'll deal with that later", because yes, more will come in.
We live in a great country but citizens have had it up to here with their local problems with illegal immigrants. I could list them from my own small community of friends if you need me to.
People in power, in gated neighborhoods, with good jobs don't understand what "open borders" really means no matter how many times we try to share. :-)
Now it's escalated to me being labeled a bigot and to those who really are bigots campaigning on the theme. Expectations met.

Posted by: Terri Goon at October 26, 2017 12:59 PM

I'll not accuse of anything more than recognition and confirmation bias, Terri. And I'll tread lightly.

I think immigration presents a complicated combination of effects on the community of your friends and the nation. These effects are good and bad and are not independent of other changes.

My Facebook feed lights up like a Christmas tree when "an illegal" commits a crime. But how many similar offenses were perpetrated that same day by natives? How many good things were accomplished by undocumented immigrants?

I know a lot of people who dislike Spanish language signs in stores and "dialing one for English." I have no problem with private firms' welcoming customers more comfortable in other languages, but that's not important.

But it's an example of change that is not really the result of illegal immigration. Yet, everytime the have to not press numero ocho illegal immigration is blamed.

From the top, from those who have not heard the sermon, I think the immigrants: legal, illegal, and refugee, will do good things and bad things in roughly the same proportion as native born. Statistically, the bad things are fewer. But you'd never know it from my Facebook feed.

Posted by: jk at October 26, 2017 1:25 PM

And I think that's the rub. (and I know we've agreed to disagree)

We the people need to suck it up when there is crime in the streets because, there are a certain percentage of bad guys out there.
Immigrants are usually good. When an illegal immigrant who shouldn't be here to start with does something wrong, it rubs people the wrong way. Now, this just isn't allowed!

We can talk philosophy and numbers until the cows come home but in reality, most people are not affected by illegal immigration in any good way that they recognize, but they are affected by it in a bad way that they can easily see. And it's easy to see that numbers guys don't recognize this or care. You care about the complicated effects on the nation, but I care about my neighbor's teenage daughter's pregnancy from an illegal. It's totally tricky, but you must have some understanding of people.

Posted by: Terri Goon at October 26, 2017 2:50 PM

You've nailed it. There is a large dose of Bastiat's "the seen and the unseen" at work. Sadly, I always seem to champion the unseen. Just once I want to be the nation's undying advocate for cute puppies and delicious bacon!

Sure, the guy who loses his job makes a fuss at "the ^&*^&*^ illegal who stole my livelihood!" The guy who gets a job with a new business which opens because its owners can afford construction, maintenance, and staffing does not thank Juan & Pedro. He got the job because of his skills, pluck, determination & charm.

So, if you are seeking the GOP nomination...

Posted by: jk at October 26, 2017 4:07 PM

I believe my online presence precludes running! Conveniently!

Posted by: Terri Goon at October 26, 2017 4:30 PM

Trump lost Colorado. Primary AND general. I don't see Tanc winning either either. [eye-thur ee-thur] Despite what a self-important pollster happens to preach.

And do you really see race first in the web photo, or the gangsta guns and gang tats?

Posted by: johngalt at October 26, 2017 5:06 PM

I am hoping the poll was bad. It was some Trump-affiliated operation, who knows what scoundrels and scurrilous tactics underlay it. :)

A friend suggested it might be my bad choice of FB friends. I left two groups today as well. But the reaction to Flake's retirement was "Huzzah! We got rid on another McConnell-loving, amnesty-voting, RINO bastard!" Is that not the base?

Rep. Tancredo may not win the primary, but he will force the winner to adopt 85-100% of his views on immigration. The free traders are gone.

Funny story: I see "Grand Theft Auto" -- isn't this the advertisement for the game? I'm not a gamer, but I am pretty sure it is. Let's suggest it to be much less subtle than the lone brown, janitor corn pop.

Posted by: jk at October 26, 2017 5:28 PM
I think the immigrants: legal, illegal, and refugee, will do good things and bad things in roughly the same proportion as native born. Statistically, the bad things are fewer. But you'd never know it from my Facebook feed.
I posted not long ago that illegals were popping up in the grey hotel queue significantly more than their share of the general population. I don't consider that the final word at all, but found it compelling. Pew's recent study shows that your FB feed is representative of a general trend. Posted by: nanobrewer at October 26, 2017 11:09 PM

I clearly need to get out more. "Grey hotel queue?"

Posted by: jk at October 27, 2017 10:59 AM

Sorry: "Gray bar hotel."

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