March 11, 2017

Sweden on Lake Superior?

PowerLine keeps tabs on the Somali wave so boldly brought to the land of 10,000 lakes. they also remind us:

in October 2015 Governor Mark Dayton instructed “white, B-plus, Minnesota-born citizens” to suppress their qualms about immigrant resettlement in Minnesota. If they can’t, they should “find another state,” he advised.
just like the elites and media in Sweden. That defensiveness and opacity is all I need to know about the supposed success of the immigration they've initiated.

Image drawn from inferred data in this article file by the Center for the American Experiment. Ms. Crockett notes:

DHS has been “crunching the numbers” for the last three months for the Strib, why was DHS playing hide-the-ball with the Center? And why isn’t this report available on the DHS website to the public?

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We see the Somali's have bought not into the hard-working culture, but into the welfare culture... this by the way is an exacerbating problem in Sweden (and France): their immigrants have been ghetto-ized by perhaps well-meaning state employees, but it's lead to their segregation, and thereby dependency.

Now, to be sure, we're not seeing a crime wave from the Somalis like is reportedly on the move in Sweden, but this does address in part JK's assertion that immigration's net costs are positive. This article backs up what I've been trying to assert - perhaps w/o a great deal of clarity - that old fashioned immigration does show positive societal benefits (see all the Asians working), it's the new fangled 'pack'em in and pay them to stay' pushed by Progressives that needs to be exposed and expunged.

If a Trump-Session overreaction is what it takes, I say have at it! I'll paraphrase a meme I saw citing Albert Nock: I'm interested in what is right, not who is right.

This article from 2015 notes this trend has history, none of it good.

the effort is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state’s safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups.

Posted by nanobrewer at March 11, 2017 12:10 AM

I think the numbers are biased because Somali refugees are new. The linked report says "And the Hmong are clearly still struggling after decades in Minnesota." The Somalis have not had decades to assimilate and establish networks and human capital infrastructure. (Though there some awesome restaurants on Riverside!)

An additional bias is that they landed in Minnesota with its very generous assistance programs. Texas received the "largest number of arrivals in 2014." I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that the Lone Star State did a better job putting them to work.

The 2014 report claims 8000 Somali refugees in 2014 for a total of 23,000 for the listed program between 2009-2014. If 36% are not in the labor force, we have imported 12,240 unemployed over six years.

You've made yourself quite clear. Old immigrants, good; new immigrants bad. Quite similar to the media and Republican Presidents: "If only Trump was as swell and kind and smart as that George W. Bush fellow...") Allow me to repeat:

Black teens born right here in the good old USA have similar, if not worse, labor force participation numbers. Should we prohibit reproduction from certain groups based on their statistical employment?

Refugees will struggle to achieve prosperity. I'll accede that some groups will do better than others. But -- as you point out -- Minneapolis is not a Sharia hell hole. I think our nation of 330,000,000 can accept a few thousand refugees. And, on the whole, they will eventually prosper in similar proportion to the native born.

Posted by: jk at March 11, 2017 12:40 PM

My first impression of this post was, "What is so dramatically different about Somali immigrants from Mexican, Hmong or Vietnamese?" Allow me to explain.

First, I didn't read the article. Just nb's excellent post and the data in the table. If one observes the total percentage "not in labor force" without accounting for sex, all groups are comparable with percentages varying between 19 and 36. The real story is found in the percentage of unemployed males. Here, Indians are singularly completely industrious, with zero percent of unemployed males. Mexicans and Vietnamese are in the 10 percent range, which does not impress me as alarming. Hmong and Somali are 24 and 30 percent unemployed, respectively. Still not really alarming so much as evidence of an opportunity for outreach to those communities. Where Somali males are uniquely lacking, as shown by this data, is in finding work. Somali men seeking work represent 29% of that community, and only 11, 7, 6 and 3 percent of the other ethnic identifications. But they are looking. That doesn't sound like a welfare culture to me.

Let me also explain why I dismiss unemployed females. Because the two-income family is a much more western phenomenon than a universal condition around the world. Some see this as good and others as bad. Personally, I think it's best when it can be decided by each individual woman, and not become an economic necessity because individual income taxes and health care costs are so high - which, again, is more of a western phenomenon. I'm looking at YOU, Progressives.

Posted by: johngalt at March 11, 2017 1:27 PM | What do you think? [2]