February 21, 2017

On Sweden

I did intend to post something to start a discussion on Swedish crime. Presented with the opportunity, I instead hijacked Brother nb's germane and most interesting item. Feel free to comment wherever you'd like, Sven, vee is all good here.

Reason is on the nothing-to-see-hear side. And, yes, that comports with their editorial biases. Even though I share them, I'll concede that fact. And yet...

Sweden differs from other countries in two more ways. The definition of rape has been extended to include sexual abuse not considered rape in other countries. In the year that change was made the number of rape offenses increased by 66 percent!

This is the reason why some people claim that Julian Assange is being investigated for rape by Swedish authorities for "almost nothing." Ironically, this is often heard from the same groups who claim that Sweden is the world's rape capital.

And unlike in other countries, if a husband rapes his wife every day during the last year, this is filed as 365 separate cases in Sweden, not as one case, as in most countries (or zero, as in Saudi Arabia) to make the crime more visible in statistics and in the debate.

So basically, Sweden doesn't have many more registered sex offenses because we are more criminal, or have more Muslim immigrants. We have them because we are more feminist.

Media and Blogging Posted by John Kranz at February 21, 2017 6:09 PM

Yes, the wikipedia article I cited repeats this several times "they have a broad definition of rape." The

we are more feminist
quote drives Norberg's article into the same gutter as the campus-rape-canard crowd, IMO, but the explanation of 365 separate incidents carries some weight.

Stats don't back up the "more feminist" assertion. If changes in law created these as anomalies, then there would be sharp 'bumps' and flats for years when the definition stayed the same. Plots show a steady, increasing trend going back to 2006.

The articles I've read on & off over the years support the "Swedenistan" narrative over the Norbergs' & Aftonbladet's (who's line is reportedly "Oh yeah? Swedes are no better").
Here's another one. money quote from Peter Ågren, police chief in central Stockholm,

Sometimes we do not dare to say how things really are because we believe it will play into the hands of the Sweden Democrats

and again from the Daily Mail, which has broken more than a few stories our MSM tried to smother.

Google "Swedish police suppress" and dozens of hits from UK sources support Ågren's statement. If there were no broad problem, why the suppression?

This trend predates Trump, but tracks carefully to immigration, from what I can see. Googling "no go zones" turns up hits where Islamic immigration is known to be biggest: France, Germany and Sweden. It's not a crystal clear-cut case, but the elites in Swedish gov't and media appear to have sold the average Sven and Lena down the river.

Posted by: nanobrewer at February 22, 2017 1:14 AM

Not to downplay how heinous a crime rape is, but there are other serious crimes whose increase in frequency can't be attributed to a change in reporting to appease feminists.

I read recently that in Malmö alone there were 52 hand grenade attacks last year. I can't find any English language original source for that statistic (but it's on the internet so it must be true!). There's a wikipedia page for grenade attacks in Sweden, which actually lists all explosive attacks. The number has steadily increased over the last few years.

Wikipedia lists 34 last year, in a country with a population of roughly 10 million. If we adjust for population, that would be like NYC having 29 grenade or bomb attacks last year. I'm pretty sure if there was a bomb going off every other week in NYC, few people would be quibbling over how inelegantly the President broached the (possibly spurious) correlation between violent crime and an increase in immigration from countries that either struggle to control the terrorist groups within their borders, or are known to export terrorism.

Posted by: AndyN at February 22, 2017 11:38 AM

More research on Sweden has been conducted by a radio talk show host (insert eye roll.) But judge for yourself: http://koanewsradio.iheart.com/onair/mandy-connell-57129/winter-is-back-but-spring-training-15589197/

The last word? "So why aren't we hearing about this in the news?" "Because it is illegal to tell the truth if you are a cop in Sweden."

And American media is afraid the president will censor THEM.

Posted by: johngalt at February 23, 2017 3:41 PM

Wow: "women are in danger here" and then you can also note

Swedish Cop Who Spoke Out About Migrant Crime Now Being Investigated For "Hate Speech"
outweighs any issues the source may or may not have.

Posted by: nanobrewer at February 24, 2017 12:26 PM

Very serious. And I'll add that I have believed this for years.

But now I am in skeptical mode. I don't speak the languages in that video and cannot attest to the quality of the translation. I do not know the source. "A Danish network." I'm thinking the equivalent of the BBC but one could splash a video of Alex Jones or David Wolfe and say "an American Network says..."

I don't disbelieve. But, looking for authoritative proof, I've been surprised how sketchy much of it is.

Posted by: jk at February 24, 2017 4:03 PM

Here is perhaps a more sober view, from Mona Charen.

It takes an on the one hand, then on the other hand, and then back and forth a few times, approach to the issue. The upshot seems to be, things are markedly worse in Sweden than before the large influx of immigrants, but statistically it's still not as bad as the good ol' USA so why worry?

Charen also observes that the issues with crime and assaults are more closely correlated with low skill levels in a de-industrializing society than with race or religion. Fair cop, that.

BUT- When police can't do their jobs, when political considerations trump law and order, when officers are brought under investigation for talking about their daily routine, then, something is wrong in the state of Denmark. Or Sweden.

Posted by: johngalt at February 24, 2017 6:54 PM | What do you think? [6]