September 21, 2006

Smoking bans

ALa at Blonde Sagacity posts about a Philadelphia smoking ban. She quotes a Jonathan Davis Morris who makes an important observation:

This is partly because anti-smoking groups are tenacious, and partly because smoking is a crappy habit. However, neither of these things explain why smoking bans are becoming inevitable. The real reason so many cities have banned smoking in public places is because of the words "public places." Somehow, this phrase has come to describe privately owned bars and restaurants, which, by nature, tend to be privately owned.

Just because you go "out in public" to visit these places doesn't make them public any more than having sex in a park in broad daylight makes the park private. There's an obvious difference between public and private property, and reasonable human beings can spot this difference. Unfortunately, this country is full of something, but it isn't reasonable human beings.

I don't care if it sounds like I'm splitting hairs here. To me, this isn't an issue of mere semantics. If you call privately owned bars and restaurants "public places," it tells me you don't know what you're talking about. And if you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be making — or even so much as influencing — policy. No one should care about your opinion. I'm not even sure you should have the right to vote.


ALa, you want to stay very very far away from the People's Republic of Boulder.

Morris makes a superb point. People really do think they own every institution that lets them in the door.

Pennsylvania Posted by jk at September 21, 2006 5:31 PM

Well, sure... If George Bush can own the whole world then why can't "people" own the corner bar? Works for me and Hugo.

Posted by: johngalt at September 21, 2006 9:59 PM

This is a great point, one I have been making for years. Johnathan is much more eloquent than I am. Perhaps now it will sink in.

I have never smoked a cigarette or anything else in my entire life. This is a record I am proud of and intend to maintain (and brag to my children about).

Colorado just passed one of those smoking bans and I recently went to lunch with a co-worker and we were able to sit in the bar and wait for our to-go order. Thanks to the new law, it was pleasantly smoke-free and my co-worker remarked that it was, “nice.”

I’m afraid that my politics got the best of me and I had to tell her that despite my personal and life-long avoidance of smoke it was NOT nice. It was a serious infringement of the individual rights of the restaurant owner. I feel it necessary to defend those rights because I am concerned for the day when it is my rights that become the target of the tenacious anti-smoking groups.

When the smoking is all banned, next they will decide that bacon is a crappy habit and I will not be so happy waiting in that restaurant since I will not be able to get an avocado, bacon burger to go with my fries. Maybe no fries either and the burger won’t be beef!

Then they will start on whatever YOUR crappy habit is so watch out!

Posted by: dagny at September 21, 2006 10:03 PM

When Avocados are outlawed...

Living in Healthnaziland, I have to admit to my enjoying the smoke-free establishments (ex-smokers can be even more self-righteous than never-smokers). But I agree with you, and JohnGalt, and ALa, and Mr. Morris. It is flat out wrong to dictate terms to private business.

Posted by: jk at September 22, 2006 11:47 AM | What do you think? [3]