Meta Thought for the Day
Ignore ideology for a moment.
How do you know you aren't brainwashed?
Is there a question you can ask or be asked that would answer that question correctly?
"Am I a free thinker?" Obviously isn't.
"Can I have free will?"
Philosophy
Posted by AlexC at March 23, 2006 6:30 PM
You've been reading too much Plato, my friend. Try OPAR (Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand) instead. You'll find a good foundation for your answer in the first six pages, excerpted here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0452011019/ref=sib_dp_top_ex/ 002-9439318-9679219?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00J#reader-page
Then buy the book. It'll be the best thirteen bucks you ever spent.
You've been reading too much Plato, my friend. Try OPAR (Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand) instead. You'll find a good foundation for your answer in the first six pages, excerpted here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0452011019/ref=sib_dp_top_ex/ 002-9439318-9679219?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00J#reader-page
Then buy the book. It'll be the best thirteen bucks you ever spent.
Posted by: johngalt at March 24, 2006 11:11 AMJohngalt, thanks for playing along. I knew that Rand's objectivism would come up, in fact I had it in mind as I wrote it.
But how do you know what is true? Isn't the determination of trueness or falseness based on your prior understanding of true and false?
Think in terms of the reality of the Thirteenth Floor or the Matrix... How do you know what is truth, especially if you've been conditioned to "know" a certain way?
Posted by: AlexC at March 24, 2006 11:34 AMI've been preoccupied with this idea all day now. I'm fairly convinced that knowing whether or not you've been brainwashed is akin to knowing whether or not you're insane. That is, if you are, you probably can't tell.
Posted by: howard at March 24, 2006 1:58 PMOne sign that you've been brainwashed is if you believe that voting Democrats into office will "end" poverty.
Beyond that the question you're asking is, "What is real and how do I know it?" Well friend, that's the $64 question. Aristotle took existence, consciousness and identity as the three axioms of reality. While this may seem like a foundation of quicksand, keep in mind that any other starting point requires axiomatic foundations as well. And every axiom that contradicts these has the fatal flaw that the person espousing them is a living, breathing example of all three.
Even this overly simplified explanation is a bit much to relate in, say, an elevator. Instead, just remember this: The next time someone tells you "reality is subjective" ask him, "Oh really, is that true for everyone?" Or if he says "we can never know anything beyond doubt" just say, "Are you sure?"
Posted by: johngalt at March 26, 2006 3:00 AMWOW, subjectivism has gone wild at Three Sources. Howard, I think being brainwashed is a form of insanity so that is probably a good analogy. As JG noted, OPAR gives the best answer to this question that I have read but I will give it a try. Start with the nature of human beings. Human beings use their minds to interpret physical stimuli. The physical universe exists regardless of how I interpret it. However, the closer I come to interpreting it correctly, the more successful I am.
For example if I am insane or brainwashed into believing that I can fly, I will jump off a building and die. (Hopefully, before I reproduce.) For human beings to exist as a species, this kind of disconnect with reality has to be eliminated for the majority of people.
Let’s look at the other end of the spectrum. If I am a genius and my understanding of reality is better than someone else’s I have a survival advantage. For this reason, I choose always to think about what I know and examine my premises in light of whatever data comes in (i.e. take the red pill.) I contend that a man can not be easily brainwashed as long as he does this. Of course, this is contingent upon a continuous supply of valid evidence, which is why censorship and ignorance are so destructive: They are the tools of brainwashers. Physical evidence directly perceived can only be misunderstood by the perceiver and not distorted by others.
In short, you cannot be brainwashed by reality, only by other people.
Posted by: dagny at March 26, 2006 4:18 PMAnother way to know that you've been brainwashed is if you want to make love to children with some fruity little club.
Posted by: johngalt at March 27, 2006 11:32 PM | What do you think? [6]